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I HAVE SIGNED IT D:<
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight!" Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honour!
Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth! And then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one! ... And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place, it's called a ZOO! UNLESS IT'S A FARM. |
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Rajhoul |
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I going to make a compromise between from what I have said and others have said.
Did Elder(Defiance)Kain alter his past when he postponed Raziel's absorption into The BR at the end of SR2 ? Yes In what way ? With Raziel out and about, he resurrected Janos, however with Janos being alive at the time Fledgling(BO1)Kain refused to sacrifice himself, to alleviate The Pillars, The Hylden Lord escaped, possesed Janos, allowed other Hylden to return to Nosgoth, defeat Fledling(BO2)Kain, where upon after 200 years, the events of BO2 take place. However when(and in the process) of altering history by postponing Raziel's absorption into The BR, Elder(Defiance)Kain essentially became a anomaly in a universe where certain events had not occured before in Nosgoth. Elder(Defiance)Kain had made it a perogative to stop Raziel from ressurecting Janos, from what he had seen of the past altered version of Kain as observed in BO2. So essentially the Elder Kain that removed The BR from Raziel at the end of SR2, and The Fledling Kain that fought the HL in BO2, which occured because The HL possesed Janos, whom was ressurected by a Raziel not yet in The Reaver Blade, are and aren't, simultaneously the same Kain, mainly because in order to keep the story, as known so far, intact, Kain(and Raziel), no matter what variation, will have to go back through The Chronoplast, in order to make any of the events of SR2 even possibly plausible. By the way, I decided to take a trip down memory lane, by revisiting old threads in The Defiance Spoiler Forum and stumbled upo the post of someone named Donnie(remeber?), anyways, as much as the writers have established so far to an extant, the use of time-travel as a backbome to the LOK story, the way in which time travel(specifically the component of 'altering history')has been imployed, nullifies the cohesion of the story. In order to understand what I said, you have add in the aspect of 'things as they originally were'. A history-alteration, is as such, changing some thing what had originally been. At what point in Nosgoth, is there not time-travelling or history-alterations ? So what is the known possible history of Nosgoth, before any one went back in time with a Reaver, to change, known established circumstances ? How does Kain's empire come in to fruition, if no stops WTJ from running amok as The Nemesis ? Might none of The Sarafan ever have killed Janos, and if so, was Janos alive when The Pillars entered their dehbelatative stage due to a certain vampire not scrificing himsefl ? Might Janos still have been possed by The HL, without it being initiated by time-traveling, history-altering incidences ? As tediously(as in the form of a seemingly unique storyline) as it appears, certain ingredients of The LOK strory line, make it interesting, but has it's downside, in flaws as well.
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blincoln |
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So essentially the Elder Kain that removed The BR from Raziel at the end of SR2, and The Fledling Kain that fought the HL in
BO2, which occured because The HL possesed Janos, whom was ressurected by a Raziel not yet in The Reaver Blade, are and aren't, simultaneously the same
Kain, mainly because in order to keep the story, as known so far, intact, Kain(and Raziel), no matter what variation, will have to go back through The
Chronoplast, in order to make any of the events of SR2 even possibly plausible.
Normally I don't get into debates about the story, but I don't think this makes sense. Whether or not Kain fought the Hylden Lord doesn't have any impact on whether he will eventually travel back in time or not, at least according to the rules of time travel in this particular fictional world (where there is only a single timeline that can be changed). In Nosgoth, history reshuffles itself around the characters making the changes in history to accommodate both the changes *and* the characters' presence at the time and place they made the changes. We know this from Blood Omen and Soul Reaver 2. So while we don't know all of the things that changed to make it possible, we know that it did happen that way. |
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Aradiel |
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Exactly: Originally SR1 etc happened, but then at the end of SR2, but SR1 and BO2 were made to happen. BO2 does not in any way replace SR1, it
replaces events that we did not see anyway (which Kain still remembers)
The fan compiled Legacy of Kain Timeline
Quite possibly the best advice you will ever be given: RTFM |
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Corpse87 |
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Jeez Raj. What I don't get is where you're coming from. Is it really that simple? You're constantly trying to impress, build up an image?
--------------------- Does he try that with newbies often? |
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Rajhoul |
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Partially I meant in the theoretical temporal mechanics that occurs when something that's been established has having to happened, but then when
circumstances are changed, an incident can occur in different order or having never occurred at all, however, the origin of the change(especially when it has a
mental consciousness) we'll be aware, unlike anybody or anyone else, that a change has occured, and know the repercussions of that change, while
simultaneously know the original event, before there was any change, thus in essence this 'origin' is seperate from anything or anybody, but can still
act in accordance to keeping the new(though not noticed as new to anyone else) change intact.
When Kain removed the The Blood Reaver that was impaled in Raziel and absorbing him, he changed history and saw the reprucussions of the change, while simulteanously being aware of the histrorical event of Raziel being imprisoned into The Blood Reaver, though due to that being changed to the outcome of not happening(at least not yet), Kain was weaving his Fledling-self into events that had not occured in Nosgoth before, however he merely knew of the consequences(new memories)of changing history, but he also had never before physically gone through them, though only in the extent his Fledling-self, now will, though he is still seperate, being that he is an entity from a 'time' when Raz was to have been in the Blood Reaver, at The Sarafan Stronghold
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Anyone considered this could all be a hoax? The art seems suspiciously similar to both BO2 and Defiance. But still, I feel somewhat deceived by Chris at
Crystal Dynamics when he stated there is another LOK game in the works and that was the last we heard. Why keep people hanging on for nothing? We've been
waiting 4 long years only to find out now that it's been scrapped? Why after 4 years? This could be a publicity stunt to get people talking about LOK for
the upcoming game. Then again, that could be just wishful thinking. Well, like Plato said "I know one thing and that is I know nothing".
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Silkworm205 |
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I also think it could be a hoax.someone could have hacked the PC version, and altered some of the areas, and textures, and messed up an enemy and made it look
new. And wouldn't there be some changes in the HUD? if it was in progress, then they usualy have a prototype, or none so they can see the
landscape better. and they would want the HUD different anyway, because one thing the game needs, is more abbilities and spells, not just charging the reaver.
And the statue in the seccond fighting scene is the one that held the blood drinker (or one of them) spear. http://s442.photobucket.c...er132/LegacyofKain_17.jpg
Lets just hope that the series lives on. |
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Robby just |
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Get, Chris, this is a bit random but could you please provide the link to those 2 Ozar Remixes you made? I lost them.
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Corpse87 |
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Rajhoul wrote:No, numbnuts. There is only one timeline. Kain didn't just receive memories, he lived through everything in BO2(it already happened) and that is why his future self now has these memories. He changed from the Kain who lived through those years intact to the Kain who lived through them in BO2 while still retaining memories from before the alteration(due to being at the epicecenter of the paradox). |
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heartless |
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Christ this is all getting rather tedious now. The fact that people are clinging onto some invisible thread of rope in the hope that there will be another
game. Get over it, it is NOT going to happen. Big woop someone managed to hack a LoK mod and mod out Kain so he looks like a crossover from BO2 and SR1 onwards
and then feck about with the backgrounds because to be honest its really not that hard to do. Also, I know that LoK fans are rather obsessive NOT EXCLUDING ME
but i do realise that there is a time to stop and calm down and think bout things rationally like WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WOULD CARE ABOUT A NEW GAME. Eidos
are not going to make a new game just for fans because its not just about the fans its about money and how they are going to gain a profit from it because
there would be a helluva lot of money riding on the back of it and they know there just be no point in making a new game because they would lose out so bad.
But seriously, who cares if there 'HAS BEEN' a new game, there isny anymore so who cares really?
At the end of the day, there isnt going to be a new game and there never will be unless another company with much more money than Eidos buys the rights to the game and decides that another one will make them money. They have a problem however, they will not have the original team and they are not the ones who wrote the original story so it will be FULL of plot holes and mistakes and the risk of them using different voice actors are frightening. It just wouldnt work but the pure fact that Eidos themselves have said that they will never sell the rights to the LoK franchise because it is too personal and too precious to them so everything I have just said is irrelevant. Is there anything else to talk about rather than a new LoK game that people think could happen, has happened, cancelled, or never will happen? |
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Corpse87 |
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No, there's nothing else to do in a Legacy of Kain forum than discussing Legacy of Kain, sorry it wasn't so obvious. The place is practically dead and
the last game was released 5 years ago. If you expect information like this to not generate a big thread then I don't know what you're doing here.
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Rajhoul |
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I am sure there's probably differences here but, basically I am implying that what occurs in Stargate-SG1's Unending is similar to what occured when Kain, postponed Raziel's absorption into the Blood
Reaver.
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Rajhoul |
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By the way, why are some of the events that occur in LOK due to so-called history-reshuffling, seen as alterations, what does it matter, if something did
happen, or had never happened before ?
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heartless wrote:These images are not fakes - blincoln found out. Check out Eidos LOK forum
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Aradiel |
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By the way, why are some of the events that occur in LOK due to so-called history-reshuffling, seen as alterations, what does it matter, if something did happen, or had never happened before ?Make enough small alterations and the overall change is quite large. The want to change things to be better than they are/were/are going to be.
The fan compiled Legacy of Kain Timeline
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Silkworm205 |
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No disrespect to Blincoln, but he has got a history of making jokes and following them quite extremely, as we saw on his april fools part of his site. I
don't not trust him, but he could have faked these... Please correct me if i'm talking about the wrong Blincoln
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Robby just |
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Ah... what does it matter?
No seriously. |
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Xule |
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people who dont believe: if you care to take the time to look at the portfolios of people who actually made the games. you'll see that they have work on
the cancelled sequel.
i doubt someone would go to that much effort for a little joke. unless they really have no life |
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Dr Tanner |
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Honestly, it doesn't matter squat.
"If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight!" Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honour!
Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth! And then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one! ... And from that day forward any time a bunch of animals are together in one place, it's called a ZOO! UNLESS IT'S A FARM. |
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