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RazielFan

Re: eh

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(01/19/03 03:01 PM)

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Some answers, although they're just personal opinion and by no means definitive:

The Abyss: It probably hadn't formed yet. It could have been a result of the Pillars' corruption.

Vorador's whiskers: His whiskers are the least of what needs to be explained about him. He shouldn't even be alive in BO2 seeing as Moebius had him guillotined.

Treading carefully: Always a good idea in Nosgoth. I always thought the EG saying this to Raz in SR2 (shift to spectral under the pillars platform during the first visit there - he'll say it eventually) was rather funny; almost like the EG is warning him not to step on one of his eyeballs or something.

Blood founts: Probably served their purpose, along with the BO1 spirit forges, moon caves, and SR1 warp gates.

Vorador's brides: Probably in his mansion, which we never saw in SR2. Some of the female vamps in the background at Sactuary (BO2) looked and behaved fairly bride-ish to me.

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PheN1X

Re: eh

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(01/20/03 01:05 AM)

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well like why is it that there is no abyss?
vorador shaved his whiskers?
why must we tred very carefully?
why are there no blood founts past bo?
where are oradors brides?
little things that envolve the environment?

1. We haven't came across it
2. Most proberly
3. Irrelevant
4. We haven't came across it
5. We haven't came across it
6. Like?

rabban

well

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(01/24/03 05:51 AM)

all i'm saying is that the elder god is not a bold faced liar. We should have a little bit of hope that the elder god is not just a giant squid with no other remarkable qualities otherwise as a enemy he would be equal to a magical turd.
If he actually has the ability to "revive" raziel and manipulate this wheel of fate that mobius seems to believe in, the elder god will be a true challenge to defeat. Raziel's fate should be owned by the elder god and it seems that it is based on what happen to the blueman in sr2. somebody worshipped eg for a reason other than girth.

possible exerpt from "THE LEGACY" a.k.a sr3

Raziel : "kain, what is that giant monster doing under the pillars? He told me to kill you and my brothers?"

Kain : " Well when I was on vacation I brought back a little squid and ahhh he got to big and I...I flushed him down the Abyss."

Raziel "You flush everything you don't like down the Abyss."

Each time nosgoth is altered in time the envionment around the pillars is changed either by nature or races, the world looks very different, nothing is the same not even the pillars one timeline has the balence pillar a green color (sr)the next time they are all black (sr2) they fall completely (bo2 animation) and the images that signify each pillars power change (between all but bo2 and sr2). these little details are nothing but artistic license and gameplay issues I know but If the story has to switch so often that the game before the last losses it's plot and sense of momentum then raziel has wasted alote of our time being everybody's little lapdog pawn.

PheN1X

Re: well

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(01/24/03 07:37 AM)

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all i'm saying is that the elder god is not a bold faced liar. We should have a little bit of hope that the elder god is not just a giant squid with no other remarkable qualities otherwise as a enemy he would be equal to a magical turd.
If he actually has the ability to "revive" raziel and manipulate this wheel of fate that mobius seems to believe in, the elder god will be a true challenge to defeat. Raziel's fate should be owned by the elder god and it seems that it is based on what happen to the blueman in sr2. somebody worshipped eg for a reason other than girth.

The Elder God does not own Raziel's fate, and hes far less powerful than he would hope others to believe. I thought this was made quite obvious when Raziel refused the will of the Elder God many times, and the Elder God did nothing.

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Each time nosgoth is altered in time the envionment around the pillars is changed either by nature or races, the world looks very different, nothing is the same not even the pillars one timeline has the balence pillar a green color (sr)the next time they are all black (sr2) they fall completely (bo2 animation) and the images that signify each pillars power change (between all but bo2 and sr2). these little details are nothing but artistic license and gameplay issues I know but If the story has to switch so often that the game before the last losses it's plot and sense of momentum then raziel has wasted alote of our time being everybody's little lapdog pawn.

Irrelevant

Or so it seems

RazielFan

Re: well

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(01/24/03 02:09 PM)

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rabban said:

all i'm saying is that the elder god is not a bold faced liar

We don't really know whether it is or not. It may be telling the actual truth about everything, only the truth as it understands it without being aware that it's not the whole truth, or even outright lying for its own personal gain.

RazielFan

rabban

well

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(01/25/03 03:50 AM)

phen1x,
to your first statement the elder gods threats were not hollow.
2nd meeting:

Elder God: Your arrogance will spell your demise, Raziel.
Deny my will, and the arc of your destiny will
reach a sudden conclusion.

Raziel: Your threats are unmoving.
Even now I'm beyond your reach.

Elder God (ominously): My reach is longer than you realize. This is a very dangerous game you're playing, Raziel.
3rd meeting:

Raziel (mocking): As your agent, I am beyond death.
Elder God: There are fates worse than death, Raziel.

The elder god has some sort of knowledge or control over the timestream this explains raziels banishment into the blade as well as the timestreamer's faith in the elder god.

and to your second statement
how often do you play soul reaver 1 now knowing that raziel was well playing for the wrong team?

PheN1X

Re: well

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(01/25/03 09:07 PM)

The Elder God said alot of things, but did nothing. So far, he is just talk.

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The elder god has some sort of knowledge or control over the timestream this explains raziels banishment into the blade as well as the timestreamer's faith in the elder god.

I hope you realise what your saying is just speculation. No where in the game is it said that the Elder God controls time.

And as I was just saying before, I think it is irrelevant to address minor things like the different colours on the pillars in the different games.

rabban

uhhh

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(01/25/03 09:41 PM)

yes i know it is speculation...
I assume the elder god is the master of raziels fate because of raziel's destiny has become a imprisonment in the blade. the elder gods action on raziel could be this very act because of raziel's change of heart. someone or something else could have been placed in the blade other than raziel If eg is capable of altering fate.
hot air eg ain't.

and the last statment your not paying attention to I said I agree the details about the pillars are unimportant but the details concerning the story itself should not change raziel was revived by eg it says this in the timeline/story in sr2s bonus area.

widowmaker26

Soul Reaver

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(02/11/03 08:12 AM)

I think Raziel became a soul eater because he had his true spirit drained by the Soul Reaver. Maybe when Raziel thrusted the soul Reaver into his former self in SR2 his soul was drained and replaced by the spirit of the blade.

Aradiel

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(02/16/03 03:16 PM)

When he did that, though, the Reaver didn't have a soul/spirit within it, and Raziel's body seems to only have had another soul 1000 years later.

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Re: well

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(06/26/03 05:16 PM)

We still don't know whose team Raziel is playing on. As far as he is concerned, he's in it for himself. That doesn't make him right, though.

As for the Elder God's trash talk: my take on it is that he said what he did precisely to goad Raziel into doing exactly what he (Raziel) did. Manipulation is more powerful than force. And as long as the Elder God had the power to manipulate Raziel into doing his bidding, regardless of how it looked, he had no need of any overt displays of power.

The truth is, until we KNOW what the Elder God is capable of, we don't know.

LightningEclipse

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(06/27/03 02:28 PM)

Here's a good way I keep myself on perspective everytime I pick up the controller to play any LOK game, we know as much as Raziel knows when he woke up in the abyss for the first time. Now granted, we may know parts of Kain's past, but i'm sure somewhere down the line, Kain told his luitenants about his actions in BO

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(06/28/03 04:57 PM)

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"Kains deified, the clans tell tales of him.
Few know the truth."
If by "few" Raziel ment the clan leaders know the truth (we know Raziel knows at least a little of Kains past as he refers to it in SR2 in Wiliams chapple)then Kain has obviously told them.
if he ment that only the ones who aided Kain in his quest know the truth then i severly doubt that after 1,000 years of being with his luetenents that he'd bother telling them after Raziels damnation, as it didnt seem like it would have matterd to the soon dead clan leaders after Raziel was revived(unless Turels part has some relevance).

RazielFan

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(06/29/03 08:05 PM)

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Raz also made something akin to a 'he looked taller onscreen' comment on finding Moebius' statue in SR1, which implies Kain apparently wasn't above embellishing the truth a bit when he told them about his adventures in BO1.

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