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Lord Onatu

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Posts: 221

(07/28/09 09:50 AM)

Boring old thread. Just want to throw around ideas with you lot about what should be added and re-added, maybe even taken away from the Legacy of Kain series if it was remade.
I'm doing a two year long games design course. I intend to one day be able to get my grubby hands on LOK and decided that remaking the series would breath new life into it. Especially done up again using the Assassin Creeds game engine.

Anyway, ideas?

~*The End*~

Raziel: But why do you stay?
Turel: Why stay? WOULD I REMAIN IF I COULD GET OUT?

fettcicle

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Posts: 395

(07/28/09 11:55 AM)

Well, the original Blood Omen could get a complete overhaul. Even though I liked the game, it seems very antiquated now. It just needs an update.

Soul Reaver, just about perfect to me, wouldn't mind a few more fighting moves, and maybe a way to combine the glyph magic and the soul reaver would be cool instead of Raz just levitating and a woosh of magic killing the foes.

What would also be cool would be to have an alternate ending, not as a replacement, but in addition to. You could complete the game as intended, but with "Dire" results, you would see how the destruction of the Vampire race would effect Nosgoth.

SR2, Too much running around the same spots over and over, back and forth from the Arie to the Saraphan stronghold, a few more side quests.....

BO2, I consider it a game in itself, It was pretty good. I can't say it was "perfect" but I can't think of anything to change, haven't played it in a Long time.

Defiance, I thought it was pretty good.

Kain: DAM you human slaves, I want sexy leather pants!

an ancient

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(07/28/09 12:04 PM)

The Last Ancient Vampire

I agree with most of that. But seriously, Eidos remaking Bo1? A huge gameworld with tons of secrets, lots of powers as well as weapons ... not going to happen.

But it just struck me that one could make a 3d remake of bo1 using games that come with level editors like morrowind or oblivion. I'd like to see such a fanmade game, but that's already offtopic, sorry.

I actually would like to see more Sr2 because I love Sr2, even with it's shortness. They could add a lot to the exploration factor. The style is imo the best in the series and they did plan a lot of things, shame they couldn't manage it.

FullCircle

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Posts: 134

(07/28/09 12:05 PM)

Well, they all need massive gameplay improvements. Perhaps the gameplay was good for each game's corresponding time but, with Soul Reaver (the PC version, at least), the controls are so god-damn unresponsive! SR2 obviously did a much better job, and so did Defiance, but still...

Apart from the given gameplay stuff, if you do intend to redo the whole series, then they'll have to be made to fit with each other (in my opinion). That is particularly for BO1, which has a lot of bits and pieces that fit with none of the others, and I'm sure you know more than enough about what all the realmers think of BO2, in terms of script, etc.

This would also mean that, in Defiance, Kain would keep most of his BO1 abilities, and maybe regain/remember some of them in BO2 - on that note, BO2's special abilities sucked, except for maybe possess, which could be improved. This would, of course, mean that Raziel would have to have a range of abilities in Defiance to even this out, perhaps abilities that he could pick up and sustain from SR1 and SR2 (keeping the glyph magic would be a start).

But, for me, just remaking BO and SR so they WORK ON MODERN COMPUTERS would be enough.

Elder God: "I am the Wheel and it's turning. I am the circle of life and death."

Raziel: "And I am beginning to think the vampires committed suicide only to escape your voice."

McMacarroon

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Posts: 144

(07/28/09 12:43 PM)

SR, with new opening act to explain why you're replaying SR:

Using Terminator as your model, you could have the Scion win and blow up our version of Skynet only to discover he has to deal with the dark forces' desperate timestreaming attacks on the past. He's secured the future but now has to defend the past so his success isn't undermined.

One such alternate timeline battleground is to have Raziel set free again in SR1 times to potentially play out the originally intended SR game, complete with killing Kain and all the other stuff you could add in as extra exploration and surprises now that we're not bound to repeat history exactly. So Raz finally gets his revenge and EG gets his wish, and vampires are extinct, and the barrier fails, and demons cackle, and then the Scion arrives on the scene to prevent this new timeline from becoming fixed in place as THE timeline. Kain uses his Balance godsight to find and dismantle the ethereal infrastructure used by EG to graft the timelines together. He makes the save, just as he was starting to wink out of existence. And we return to playing as Raziel, who then completes the version of SR we're used to seeing. To show history is restored.

Lord Onatu

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(07/28/09 06:58 PM)

Ok didnt have the time 2 rant before but here we go. Oh and sorry Im on my mobile and my language may suffer as I carry on. Anyway here we go: BO1 - Complete overhaul. I was thinking something in the scale of Assassins Creed. It had massive areas which could B emulated in dis remake. It only had loadin 3 screens. 1 for each main area. Imagine dat. Nosgoth in its full beauty (Meridian and all) and u can freely werewolf form run around all of it. I could B fantastic... n da reason I choose A.Creed is simple. Altiar (the main man of A.Creed) was up evry wall n runin on evry roof. And when u think about it that is the life of a vamp. Hidin out of eyesight. Cumin down in disguise when need B then vanishing asap. Imagine climbing in2 Willendorf as da guards r 2damn hard 2defeat. Bt getn aldat way in 2learn u need a better disguise spell 2talk with the king. Now u cn sneak bak out or just burst out. Da powers would B suped up also. SR1 - I would use the map n stolen Creed engine frm da BO1 Remake n jus replace Kain with Raz. Da wrld would B degenerated and the new monuments added, like the Silenced Cathedral and Sanctuary. Raz would B less sneaky n mre up front but being able 2 slink off onto a roof if health is 2 low. The glyph magic I would make in2 Raz's telekenesis only 2B replaced in Defiance when he faces Turel. Among other things I'd add 2da brother boss battles! Example? Well Raz fites Zephon. He burns hm and leaves. Now imagine Zephon detaches himself from his non mobile legs and comes crashing/diving out afta Raz, still on flames, very pissed and ready 4 round two. Dis time around he'll climb around like a spider boss until he eventualy gets killed. Get my drift 4 makin da battles longer? SR2 - Would B the most intact. I agree with the above. It would have 2 gain quests kind of 2 keep it from being a 2here 2there 2here game it was. BO2 - Overhaul graphicaly. Bo1 Kain powers returnd 2him and better use 4 the ones he gains. Immolate could be used as Magnus uses it. Also maybe explain Voradors revival. Defiance - Two heads are better than one right? Defiance will B split in2 2 game discs. Kain and Raziel. This way both stories could B greatly expanded. Also both Raz and Kain would B suped up. So a proper battle this time around. Yay! Maybe even turn the promo comic for Defiance in2 a cg intro. A real intro and think of 1 4 Raz. Thoughts?

~*The End*~

Raziel: But why do you stay?
Turel: Why stay? WOULD I REMAIN IF I COULD GET OUT?

Tenebrous

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(07/29/09 05:01 AM)

Onatu as always you get my attention and spark my imagination. And since we talking about a remake this time, I dare suggest something else to boost our beloved games. Especially SR2 and defiance. 2player co-op in split screen. Now that's would be some expirience!! In SR2 we could not follow Kain around and learn how he did some of the things he did (for example how he was following Raziel through time). Now it would be the time for answers. BO2 could also be modified by a co-op mode with Uhma or another of Vorador's vampires as she is captured. This could also happen in the othe LoK games but It would be rather out of story. Then again I have played Resistance recently where in co-op story mode you play a nameless soldier (lackey?) as the second player but you have all the weapons and skills of the main char with the exeption of being shown in the cinematics. Maybe something like that would be fun nonetheless..

FullCircle

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(07/29/09 11:28 AM)

Actually, one big thing for SR2 - create more variation in the enemies' fighting styles. There are only four real enemies in the game (excluding the demons, but even so) - pikemen/pikewomen, swordsmen, dogs, shades. I find it hard to believe that the Sarafan would fight in exactly the same way as the mercenaries with boosted speed. There's a lot of room for creativity there, and you could make a lot of fun out of fighting the Sarafan elites at the end of the game - what would be freaking awesome is the special fighting style they use in Kingdom Hearts 2 (I'm pretty sure it's been used in other games, but I can't think of which ones) - you know, where you hit triangle at specific times to make Sora do awesome moves. Seeing as how Raziel's invincible when he's fighting the Sarafan elites, it would be boring to just exchange cuts, so that special move thing could make it a lot more fun, maybe make you have to try a little harder instead of just mashing the attack button. That system could also be used for fighting the Elder God at the end of Defiance.

Elder God: "I am the Wheel and it's turning. I am the circle of life and death."

Raziel: "And I am beginning to think the vampires committed suicide only to escape your voice."

Lord Onatu

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Posts: 225

(08/02/09 03:00 PM)

Make the Sarafan in 2 a proper army with different levels, different soliders, etc. At the top being Malek and bulk it out as it works down the ladder 2 the bottom and the attack dogs. I like the idea of finishing moves also. Its worked very well for Kratos and others so why not Raz and Kain the original Brothers Grimm. Ofcourse you'd only be able 2 preform them on sub bosses and bosses, as well as larger than the normal enemy types... like the Giants in Mobius' Citizenship Army.

~*The End*~

Raziel: But why do you stay?
Turel: Why stay? WOULD I REMAIN IF I COULD GET OUT?

hicks

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Posts: 78

(08/02/09 04:06 PM)

Remaking the games with modern graphics, updated story line adaptions etc would be awesome, however why not have the games re-produced for xbox live arcade? i mean how much or a chore is it to have to get the PS2 out when you fancy replaying?

Lord Onatu

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Posts: 242

(08/13/09 07:32 AM)

What would you guys change, or even not change, about the Enemies, Sub-Bosses and Bosses of the Legacy of Kain series?

I would have liked the Zephonim to be more spider like. Least use webbing based ataks more fluidly and even 2maybe swing Raz around. And BO2's Prison Guards, so much potential! And what bugged me is although almost every game showed the main big enemies of a set time or period Defiance didnt show you a single enemy from BO1. Where did they all go?

~*The End*~

Raziel: But why do you stay?
Turel: Why stay? WOULD I REMAIN IF I COULD GET OUT?

FullCircle

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Posts: 253

(08/13/09 09:23 AM)

I think most of the LoK games after BO1 attempt to pretend BO1 didn't really exist, to the point where most of the BO1 monsters didn't seem right to me (as I had played all the other LoK games first).

I've already explained my beef with SR2 enemies. The SR1 enemies are mostly great, but I would create more variation between the vampires. For example, the Dumahim should be much harder to knock out than the Melchiahim, but should also be somewhat slower. The Turelim should be the hardest to knock out, except for the Dumahim perhaps, and should be quite fast. The Rahabim should leap at Raziel from underwater (I think they already do, but not as an actual attack), while the Zephonim should leap down on top of Raziel, where maybe it could come down to button-mashing in an attempt to have Raziel toss the little insects off of him.

I think the BO2 enemies aren't too bad but, once again, more variation between levels.

The Defiance enemies aren't too bad, either. I'd have to think more on it to come up with suggestions for improvement, and I cbb.

but in any case, in SR1 (or, at least, in the one I have, on the PC), the Zephonim seem to get stuck on the wall and just sit there staring at Raziel. So I think you should worry about the bugs first.

Elder God: "I am the Wheel and it's turning. I am the circle of life and death."

Raziel: "And I am beginning to think the vampires committed suicide only to escape your voice."

Adalbertus Morridath

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(08/19/09 08:07 AM)

The Avatar of Death

sr2, bo 2 and defiance are relatively new games, so there's no chance for a remake and frankly, I don't care too much about those being remade, because there's not much more then the game play that could be improved
BO1... now here's a great game material

but it would require a lot of work and the game would be at least Oblivion-ish in size. put it all in 3D, leave the artifacts, spells and enemies, add even more new toys for Kain to play with, fix few plot holes between BO1 and the rest of the series and we'll have a perfect game to kick-start a new LoK era

SR1... well... improve graphics and game play wouldn't hurt

but as far as the story goes, I don't see much space for improvements, maybe adding few hint to the future games would work, revealing parts of Raziel's destiny... I dunno.

FullCircle

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(08/19/09 10:13 AM)

There are more hints about the future games in SR than people seem to actually realise.

Elder God: "I am the Wheel and it's turning. I am the circle of life and death."

Raziel: "And I am beginning to think the vampires committed suicide only to escape your voice."

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